Police belt-fed .50-cal turreted Machine Gun
 

Sheriff Lott's New Toy

Radley Balko | September 1, 2008, 1:12pm

The Richland County, South Carolina Sheriff's Department just obtained an armored personnel carrier, complete with a belt-fed, .50-cal turreted machine gun. Sheriff Leon Lott has charmingly named the vehicle "The Peacemaker," and insists that using a caliber of ammunition that even the U.S. military is reluctant to use against human targets (it's generally reserved for use against armored vehicles) will "save lives."

Can we call this overkill, yet? Is there any weapon people like Sheriff Lott would consider inappropriate for use against American citizens?

Like most of these military toys obtained by local police departments, the Peacemaker will inevitably be used on drug and gambling raids�that is, to enforce laws against consensual activities. Or, as we're now seeing in Minnesota, perhaps on raids against leftist political activists.

Can't be too careful, you know.

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Look what greets visitors when they go to a website for a local PD website:

http://www.greenfieldpd.org/

It's what I call 'community policing.'

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Fixed it...

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Be a pretty tough gig arming myself sufficiently against something like that, but I'll give it a go...

After all, Luke DID manage to blow up the Death Star with an X-Wing, right?

:D

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Yeah, but that was a long time ago in a galaxy far, far way, and he cheated by using the force.

The SPIRIT of the second ammendment has been violated. The laws exist to keep the citizens in line, but the second ammendment exists to keep the lawmakers in line. The idea behind the 2A is that government can be outgunned by the citizenry because they are outnumbered by the citizenry. Unfortunately, our founding fathers did not have the forsight to see a coming day when the government would prohibit the citizenry from "keeping and bearing" CURRENT "arms" technology. Through regulation they have effectively relegated the armed citizenry into the defensive dark ages. They are keeping the "letter" of the law, but violating the intent. Yes, we can keep and bear arms, but we can only keep them if they are old technology and we can only bear them if they are unloaded and properly stored.

The fact is that the government, although greatly outnumbered by the population in general, possesses an infinitely greater amount of firepower. The only reason the towel-heads have been able to resist against our military (at great human cost) is the lack of sufficient surveilance in the middle-eastern wilderness. This surveilance will be completely in place before the US citizenry even begins to organize any sort of militia rebellion. With unlimited surveilance and unlimited firepower we will not be able to resist -- we will not be able to keep the lawmakers in line.

PS - This is why the best civilian technology on the market today is semi-automatic milsurp that is 50+ years old -- and make sure the barrel isn't less than 16" -- we don't want you hiding it.

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Stock up on explosive precursors. As for surveillance cameras: the things you need to remember are the ways you can be tracked: credit cards, cell phones, license plates, store membership cards, computer use, ect. Then you have to find a smooth transition from "the grid" above, without being linked to the CCTV cookie crumb trail. For this you need a high traffic grid blind spot where you can enter, change disguise, and leave invisible in the crowd. By process of elimination you can be identified by how long you were in the blind spot, so the blind spot has to be situationally appropriate to be there for as long as you need to be off the grid. Camp grounds, movie theatres, ect.

The bigger of a perimeter you can put between leaving the grid and reentering it disguised the better.

Another thing to consider is you movement within a building can be theoretically tracked using the building's burglar alarm sensors. It's worth noting that some alarm systems utilize hidden microphones, so it is good practice to consider anything said within a building to be compromised. They are just too easily bugged. Meet in person at a public pool or beach or someplace outdoors, in the water ups the anty for wearing a wire to some sort of waterproof system. Talk while covering your mouths with your hands for the sake of lip readers.

The internet, free email draft boxes, prepaid cellphones, and dead drops(electronic and traditional) are the means by which you keep the involved parties organized.

Monetary issues are more complicated. Particularly when ordering things off the internet and taking delivery anonymously. Many online stores will not accept pre-paid credit cards. Then taking delivery of the product is a serious issue within itself. Identity thieves are familiar with these challenges, but options include a private mailbox with UPS or a private carrier, and paying a homeless man(preferably) or a child to pick up the package for you. Considering the current foreclosure crisis, using empty houses is a great option right now. If you ambush the deliveryman before he gets to the door then you can typically tell him you were on the way out and sign for the package on the street. Apartment buildings are particularly well suited for this. This may require the use of false identification. The availability of forged identification is virtually essential for off the grid living as it facilitates all other forms of identity theft and impersonation that greatly simplify staying anonymous and secure.

There is no good way of knowing when you're dealing with marked bills or not, so making purchases at roach coaches and other camera free merchants with large bills and taking the change is one defense. I've heard the serial numbers are tracked at banks so in a sense you should consider all bills marked. Casino's may be one option for laundering marked bills as well.

It's a safe assumption that anytime you step in to a car, to the time you step out of one, you have been tracked.

There are certain things like computers, filing cabinets, keys, prepaid phones, ect. that you need to know have not been tampered with. These requires a tamper evident safe of some sort of the highest security. The S&G 8077 padlock is a good entry level seal padlock that you can use to secure welded boxes as an example. Resistance to forced entry is the traditional use of safe's that make them so expensive and inconvenient. Seal's are much simpler to utilize. By utilizing visible seals, and well hidden seals, you can detect basic tampering by a glance at the visible seal, with semi-regular closer inspection. The hidden seal should be inspected occasionally to detect more sophisticated tampering.

Computers should utilize open source full disk encryption like truecrypt. But that won't protect against hardware key loggers soldered directly on to the main board. Likewise: encryption does not protect against TEMPEST attacks.

Additionally: you should have a random number generator available to you like a bingo machine for the generation of One Time Pads.

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.308 APIT, API, AP pulled bullets will penetrate that aluminum hull like butter.

Reload your own:

http://www.outlawperformance.com/theplate.htm

This means fun for all that reload.

The sad part is that with my searching I have only found two places that have ANY kind of .308 AP bullets.

One is http://www.patsreloading.com/patsrel/whatsnew.htm
308 147 AP projectiles, 500-$94.99, 1000-$179.00, 2000-$174.00 per 1000, +shipping


and the other is the place I got mine http://www.polygunbag.com/bullets.html
#1 Plus Premium Grade M61-AP .308 FN/Israeli, 152 grains, Part# BU20, 100-$30.00, 250-$62.50, 500-$125.00, + Sh


As far as even components, this is all there is. This applies to every non-ball round in every caliber. AP, tracer, incendiary, API, all of it.

This isn't a new problem like ammo prices now, this has been diminishing for years. Thanks to laws from back in the early 1990's, when this is gone there will be no more. Years ago there were warehouses full of 30-06 pulled AP rounds. Now there are a couple boxes of rounds from a hand full of sellers. Some even sell rounds individually.

Because of this law there won't be any allowed to be sold to you "after the war", and none are legally allowed to be imported either. All there is, is what was laying around at the time the law went into effect. At the time this was millions and millions of rounds and bullets. Today as you can see it is not near that.

So buy now, or say "wow I should have gotten a couple of those rounds or bullets for fun some day..." later.


50 BMG Ammunition and 50 BMG components for this test supplied by Watsons Weapons www.watsonsweapons.com
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In fact, Shotgun news has many other places to buy pulled rounds.
Go for APIT or incendiary(API)-a few into the engine compartment will make it a molten hulk-without loss of life (if they have enough brains to exit a burning vehicle).Let them walk home.

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Fascist police are not immune to freedom fighters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Anthropoid

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Wow. I sent the good Sheriff an email asking what possible purpose a weapon like that could serve for a local law enforcement agency.

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lets see....
2 gallons of gas for my lawn mower...
an electric estes rocket igniter from my kids toys...
do I smell roast?

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Dont fret,that thing is a M113 derivitive, it has a weak aluminum hull, most good magnum calibers will pierce it,and rattle around inside a bit. that POS also comes with a 71/92 series Detroit diesel, also a POS in cold weather, the HOS wasnt any good when the Army used them 20+ yrs ago and isnt now.

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**** these mother-f*ckers....look at this.....THIS PROVES THEY ARE SCUM.


Go away little whiner
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contact_us.comments It saddens many in the community in Texas to see the police force looking like mercenary goons dressed in all black paramilitary gear.

The public is begining to see you as the enemy when you present yourself this way.

p.s. yall might want to remove the darth vader on the front of your website.

THIS IS A DISGRACE TO THE UNITED STATES. Go to Russia or some commie country with this BS. THIS IS AMERICA! LAND OF THE FREE!

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Well, now you know where you stand with the LEO goons.

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Man I wish I could snap my finger and have all these commie scumbags 6 feet under. I hate these people with every fiber of my body....I think their whole bloodline should be removed.


BUT thats just ME....

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This is a good reason why citizens who believe in the Constitution and rule of law by the people for the people and are opposed to authoritative governments need to own 50 caliber rifles to neutralize these kind of threats from the Police State�

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Sheesh, no joke......and here I thought, "wow, armor piercing rounds for my MG - that's pretty cool ~ but when could I possibly need that ?!?!"

I guess the answer is 'now'

:confused_ma:

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french surplus .50 bmg steel core available @ j&g in arizona. 2.99/round

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I don't believe those rounds are ap, just mild steel core.

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:wink:

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Just looked and the price is now 500-$124.95

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I spoke to Sheriff Lott and did not get the impression he is part of some NWO conspiracy to engage in heavy handed tactics against American citizens. No...he's a good ole' boy who simply wanted a machine gun. The reasoning he presented to me was weak, I'll admit...

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That's just stupid. He's dangerous and sociopathic, which is why he aspired to his current position in LE, I'm sure. Just wanted a machine gun? Buy your own with your own money JACKASS!!

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they can "say" whatever they want, but a picture is worth a thousand words, er somethin like that :confused_ma:

http://goldismoney.info/forums/attac...1&d=1220712600

there it is

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C4talyst:

kudos btw for making contact!

+1

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In all fairness: how many gun nuts have similar pictures on their myspace? It's not necessarily heavy handed. It may just be a waste of tax dollars for novelty and fun sake. If they fund raised for it, then who can blame them for taking advantage of their special privledges?

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Should be interesting when they decide to fire on a drug dealers house. I don't know how they will explain why they took out seven other houses down range killing the families inside. :no_ma:

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Acceptable collateral damage in the War on drugs.

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OMFG are you kidding me? If you can find me one "gun nut" on myspace that owns an armored personnel carrier with a .50 cal machine gun on the top, AND HAS LEGAL AUTHORITY TO USE IT ON REGULAR PEOPLE, POST IT!!

What is up with the apologists for fascism lately??

:banghead::shocked_ma::confused_ma:

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That Fro on your Avitar would make for great target aquisitions...

I do think that machine would have a high intimidation factor for sure...

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Over at Zamani's Iranian Rugs and Ammunition. Death to Detroit! :bear_w00t:

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Just picking sides early I guess.

Side A: Well-fed fascists and fascist sympathizers.
Side B: Starving liberty-loving patriots (no doubt to be refered to as "domestic terrorists" by the .gov)

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From the men in blue, to the men in black, in a nanosecond.

An invitation to peace, war staring you in the face......dressed in black.....with the helmets......

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People should have already picked their side. If not, do they better do it quickly.

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Showing off the toys with charlies angels poses is nothing new to the gun community. The reason that there aren't more people with armored personnel carriers with .50-cal MG's is because of legal restrictions, not lack of want.

I laugh when I see cops get shot, killed, blown up, hit, or beat. I don't like cops. They are doubtlessly fantisizing about an oppurtunity to go rambo on "da kriminals" which includes everyone not employed by the courts or correction system in their minds.

I'm well aware of the double standards on both justified use of lethal force, and gun control between cops and non-blue skinned civillians.

My point is that this isn't a new sign of fascism. All factors were already at play. They just managed to get a bigger budget. MAYBE a sign that cops are anticipating bad times as much as we are.

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MOLOTOV had an answer to that kind of crap 50 years ago in Hungary

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Deny them re-supply, food and water. The pretty black paint job will get real warm in the summer heat.

Sir, there will be hell to pay if the order is ever given to open fire with a fifty cal. on Americans.
BTW, this pic will go a long way to help a law suit against the Richland CO Sheriff Dept.

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The furtherance of the militarization of our Police Forces. Maybe we should have a subforum dedicated to just that topic? Once it is up and running, we could email a link to the subforum to CNN or Fox. Start a national discussion about it?

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Here... I fixed that foto right up fer ya'll...

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PIECE - O - CAKE!

That gunner has to expose himself to operate that kidney buster '50.

Looks like that Sheriff did not think THAT purchase through!!

Any old bolt action rifle with iron sights can make duty on that 50 HIGHLY undesirable.